Global Markets Podcasts

George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, discusses the 2024 outlook for the agency MBS sector with Glenn Schultz, MUFG Head of Prepayment Modeling and Strategy and our resident subject matter expert on mortgages. They cover topics from the recently published 2024 Desk Strategy Outlook, ranging from agency MBS issuance, prepayments, and the mortgage basis. They also discuss if “the second golden age of MBS” is still a relevant theme for investors and the agency MBS market. 

This week George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, discusses our Macro thesis around the economy and Fed policy. With unemployment low, inflation declining, and spending solid (helped by fiscal policy mid-year), all this resulted in stronger than expected GDP in 2023. The markets also embraced the soft landing narrative in the last two months of 2023. In George’s view, this makes for a hard comparison at the start of 2024. In our view, the long and variable lags from one of the fastest Fed hiking cycle catches up in 2024. This will put the riskier side of the credit spectrum in scope for further adjustment. Net, we are not calling for a hard landing recession but instead something more like a bumpy landing which is short-lived. In fact, a recession altogether could be avoided if the Fed meets or beats what is priced-in for cuts and bank lending rebounds. Yet, due to lags in the recession dating process, we won’t know we’re in one until after the fact. In the end, we stick by our view that the Fed will be starting an easing cycle soon (our base-case is for a 25bp March cut) where they will attempt to soften the decline in economic activity as the year progresses.
 

This week George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, marks to market the price-action since our last podcast in late November as well as how markets are setup ahead of a key week for central banks. With markets getting ready to closing out another year, how the FOMC event is received will likely set the stage if the risk-on continues into year-end or not. We expect the Fed to push-back on the recent easing of financial conditions and avoid saying anything that might come across as under-writing rate cuts, something that the market is pricing in spades for 2024. With a recent goldilocks jobs report and a slightly higher than expected CPI print, especially with a higher super-core reading (one of chair Powell’s preferred inflation metrics), we do not believe that the Fed will convey a dovish message at the last FOMC meeting of 2023. Lastly, George gives us a glimpse into the themes and framework the team is using in order to setup for the 2024 macro world.

This week George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, walks us through some of his latest special topics in the Macro2Markets Monthly Outlook report. As the title suggests, we first explore the risk-on mood on Wall Street and what is driving it. In George’s view, he believes it is a bit premature that some market participants are reading the weaker data and the market-based interest rate declines as a good thing. George wraps up by providing his views on the current developments in bank lending and general credit conditions overall. He also takes us through the big moves that are happening on the U.S. government deficit front and their implications. 

In today's episode, George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, and Glenn Schultz, MUFG Head of Prepayment Modeling and Strategy, discuss October's remittance data, relative value against the backdrop of slower seasonal prepayment, and the outlook for the current coupon basis against the headwinds of 2023's never ending conga line of black swan events.  

This week George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, takes us around the world and back, discussing the latest changes from the Bank of Japan (BoJ), ahead of October month-end trading and the critical double-header events on November 1, when the Treasury releases its quarterly refunding announcement (Q.R.A.) for its Treasury supply needs. Then in the afternoon, the FOMC meets for its second to last meeting of calendar year 2023. 

In George’s view, so long as term premia stays elevated and 10yr rates do not decline back towards the low 4s, these higher long-term rates are doing the tightening for the Fed, and thus the Fed hiking cycle is likely over (where the July hike may end up being the last hike of this cycle). In addition, what is frightening about October 31, other than the spooky Halloween scenes, is that this means there are only two months left in the year and liquidity probably gets worse for markets from here on out. Lastly, George wraps up by providing his views for Fed day, expecting another “hawkish skip”, the second in a row, and that chair Powell will refrain from saying they are done by keeping December in play.

This week in a special edition podcast episode, George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, is joined by Glenn Schultz, MUFG Head of Prepayment Modeling and Strategy, to go over a recently published and comprehensive Desk Strategy Report called “The State of Housing” where they explore the impact of high mortgage rates and affordability issues that are impacting the U.S., as well as the potential lasting effect on housing and mortgage macro fundamentals ahead. 

George walks through how these higher rates are unsustainable for a viable housing and mortgage financing market and unless incomes were to rise, and rise at a much faster rate, that something has to give (either house prices decline, and/or rates decline). Glenn threads in the implications to MBS issuance, CPRs, and how the market might be the most negative convexity it has been given the larger loan balances. George wraps things up by discussing how this might influence the Fed rate views and their MBS portfolio.

George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, walks us through the latest price action where the normalization of rates out the curve has finally caught the attention of broader markets like stocks and credit. The so-called bear steepening of the curve (when long-term rates move higher in yields and in a quantum larger than short-term rate movements) is driving some serious financial conditions tightening. As George says, the bond market is tightening for the Fed. George still believes that the last Fed hike was in July and that all of these volatile market moves will result in them no longer hiking in 2023. That said, until long-term rates find stability (and better yet consolidate into a tradeable range) and until the U.S. dollar stops going up, these major swings may continue in his view. In the past, to see a quick reversal in U.S. Treasuries, there would need to be a much larger and deeper risk-off in stocks and credit. Overall George remains cautious and reminds us that it’s been “the same as it ever was”, higher rates do matter.

Today’s episode is an excerpt from a recent MUFG webinar hosted by Ehsan Khoman, Head of Research for Commodities, ESG and Emerging Markets (EMEA), and Dr. Tobi Petrocelli, MUFG Head of Sustainability & Transition Finance Strategy for the Americas. Tobi and Ehsan discuss the recent report about AI’s influence in scaling ESG’s maturation. Overall, MUFG holds conviction in the merits of the evolution of AI to solve an array of ESG trade-offs. On aggregate, this has the potential to transform the way we approach sustainability to foster a more equitable and just society.

George Goncalves, MUFG Head of U.S. Macro Strategy, returns to review the price action since the summer break and what to expect from the FOMC at the upcoming meeting. George views the current environment as the most challenging for bond bulls, as the longer the Fed stays on hold with all this additional Treasury supply hitting the market, the pull toward higher rates will remain a powerful force. Granted, George does not believe that the window that will be afforded to the Fed staying “higher for longer” will be one that is long enough to fully normalize the yield curve towards the current level of Fed funds (because we expect the policy lags to hit the economy hard in Q4 into 1Q24). That said, the Fed can still use forward guidance signals, such as keeping their rate forecast “dot-plot” higher as a counter-balance to a bond market that is always looking for the next reason to rally. In terms of the FOMC meeting, we expect a slightly hawkish outcome, where the dots will try to pave the way for the Fed to signal they want rates to stay higher. Lastly we expect no change in actual Fed rate policy, a hawkish skip (i.e. no hike at this meeting) is our base-case.